1 00:00:00,060 --> 00:00:08,940 Robert Fleischer I met him last year now 2 00:00:03,178 --> 00:00:10,289 is it yeah watch it yes yes I'm not 3 00:00:08,939 --> 00:00:11,039 offending you by doing that I might no 4 00:00:10,289 --> 00:00:13,619 no it's all right 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:22,409 I think Germans are very I won't mention 6 00:00:13,619 --> 00:00:25,829 the brexit though who said the Germans 7 00:00:22,410 --> 00:00:29,099 don't have a sense of humor I didn't 8 00:00:25,829 --> 00:00:30,928 think the Hat but anyway yeah Robert he 9 00:00:29,099 --> 00:00:33,750 invited me over to he's the hometown of 10 00:00:30,928 --> 00:00:35,670 Leipzig which is beautiful in eastern 11 00:00:33,750 --> 00:00:38,039 Germany I'd served two and a half years 12 00:00:35,670 --> 00:00:39,450 in the Royal Air Force in Germany so I 13 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:41,850 knew it's a beautiful country but never 14 00:00:39,450 --> 00:00:45,359 been what was in the East and Leipzig 15 00:00:41,850 --> 00:00:47,609 was a beautiful historical city with a 16 00:00:45,359 --> 00:00:49,439 beautiful architecture so that was very 17 00:00:47,609 --> 00:00:49,890 kind of him and obviously we struck up a 18 00:00:49,439 --> 00:00:53,128 friendship 19 00:00:49,890 --> 00:00:56,730 Robert Fleischer is the leading expert 20 00:00:53,128 --> 00:00:58,799 by far in the country of Germany in my 21 00:00:56,729 --> 00:01:00,869 opinion now what you've got to 22 00:00:58,799 --> 00:01:05,759 understand is if we think we are had 23 00:01:00,869 --> 00:01:08,789 done to in Britain with the coverage the 24 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:10,530 fair coverage in Germany and from our 25 00:01:08,790 --> 00:01:14,490 previous conversations when I was over 26 00:01:10,530 --> 00:01:15,000 in Germany with him he has 50% harder 27 00:01:14,489 --> 00:01:18,118 time 28 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:20,459 but they still have cases and this guy 29 00:01:18,118 --> 00:01:23,219 is trying to change things he's even 30 00:01:20,459 --> 00:01:26,908 asked questions to politicians and they 31 00:01:23,219 --> 00:01:29,009 kind of like react with horror seriously 32 00:01:26,909 --> 00:01:30,659 and you'll see there and you'll see that 33 00:01:29,009 --> 00:01:33,950 so without further ado a round of 34 00:01:30,659 --> 00:01:33,950 applause for Robert yeah 35 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:42,409 thank you very much this is the very 36 00:01:39,079 --> 00:01:44,929 first presentation I give in the United 37 00:01:42,409 --> 00:01:47,390 Kingdom and I'm very honored to be a 38 00:01:44,930 --> 00:01:49,850 speaker at this conference and I would 39 00:01:47,390 --> 00:01:52,159 love to thank Gary and all the 40 00:01:49,849 --> 00:01:54,769 organizers of this fantastic conference 41 00:01:52,159 --> 00:01:59,390 and don't clap your hands here because I 42 00:01:54,769 --> 00:02:01,099 haven't spoken yet so yeah let me 43 00:01:59,390 --> 00:02:05,659 introduce myself a little bit before I 44 00:02:01,099 --> 00:02:08,449 go into the the the subject I'm actually 45 00:02:05,659 --> 00:02:10,609 not a huge estai am a journalist I used 46 00:02:08,449 --> 00:02:12,799 to work for television and the thing is 47 00:02:10,610 --> 00:02:15,440 when I was 16 years old 48 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,330 I met the Swiss author Erich von däniken 49 00:02:15,439 --> 00:02:19,789 do you know him 50 00:02:16,330 --> 00:02:21,590 Chariots of the Gods and whenever he was 51 00:02:19,789 --> 00:02:24,859 in my region and gave a talk we would 52 00:02:21,590 --> 00:02:26,840 meet because we we would meet regularly 53 00:02:24,860 --> 00:02:28,370 when he was in my region and we would 54 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:31,039 talk for many hours and I was fascinated 55 00:02:28,370 --> 00:02:34,219 by what he said and I said so why isn't 56 00:02:31,039 --> 00:02:36,319 this on television and he said well why 57 00:02:34,219 --> 00:02:38,739 don't you go and work for television and 58 00:02:36,319 --> 00:02:43,280 report on this kind of stuff and I said 59 00:02:38,739 --> 00:02:45,860 yeah good idea so so when I was 16 I 60 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:49,370 really I started doing internships in 61 00:02:45,860 --> 00:02:51,230 several local newspapers when I was 18 62 00:02:49,370 --> 00:02:53,569 years old I presented the evening news 63 00:02:51,229 --> 00:02:56,209 at a local TV station in my hometown and 64 00:02:53,569 --> 00:02:58,549 later on I I worked for several major 65 00:02:56,209 --> 00:03:01,550 German TV networks most of the time for 66 00:02:58,550 --> 00:03:04,160 MDR television which belongs to IAD 67 00:03:01,550 --> 00:03:06,439 that's comparable to the that's a public 68 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:09,709 broadcaster service comparable to the 69 00:03:06,439 --> 00:03:11,750 BBC here in the UK so I had already 70 00:03:09,709 --> 00:03:16,009 worked as a journalist before I started 71 00:03:11,750 --> 00:03:18,069 doing my university studies and I chose 72 00:03:16,009 --> 00:03:20,569 a conference interpreting so I have a 73 00:03:18,069 --> 00:03:21,769 university degree in in conference 74 00:03:20,569 --> 00:03:24,370 interpreting for French and Spanish 75 00:03:21,769 --> 00:03:26,629 because I didn't know hardly any 76 00:03:24,370 --> 00:03:28,519 journalist colleague who had studied 77 00:03:26,629 --> 00:03:30,919 journalism in order to become a 78 00:03:28,519 --> 00:03:33,620 journalist and I thought that languages 79 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:35,869 would come in quite handy what do we 80 00:03:33,620 --> 00:03:39,980 know about the situation in Germany I 81 00:03:35,870 --> 00:03:43,219 guess in the UK people probably don't 82 00:03:39,979 --> 00:03:45,289 know many things about the UFO situation 83 00:03:43,219 --> 00:03:46,408 in Germany and that is because Michael 84 00:03:45,289 --> 00:03:49,679 has Ehrmann 85 00:03:46,408 --> 00:03:52,560 who did what I've been doing 20 years 86 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:55,349 ago he stopped working in this in this 87 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:59,128 field and he decided to write books 88 00:03:55,348 --> 00:04:02,098 about the Catholic Church and also UFOs 89 00:03:59,128 --> 00:04:05,609 are a taboo subject in Germany so in 90 00:04:02,098 --> 00:04:08,310 2007 I decided to found 91 00:04:05,610 --> 00:04:10,950 Exopolitics Germany this website and 92 00:04:08,310 --> 00:04:13,019 then another couple of years later I 93 00:04:10,949 --> 00:04:15,119 found it XO magazine TV which is an 94 00:04:13,019 --> 00:04:18,000 online video portal for open-minded 95 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:20,329 people which covers more subjects than 96 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:23,970 just UFOs you see we have remote viewing 97 00:04:20,329 --> 00:04:25,530 and all that and that's honest on a 98 00:04:23,970 --> 00:04:29,000 subscription basis and it's only in 99 00:04:25,529 --> 00:04:32,279 German yet there are private UFO 100 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:36,149 organizations in Germany so registered 101 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:39,239 associations of people dealing with UFO 102 00:04:36,149 --> 00:04:41,579 research four of them the oldest ones 103 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:45,930 are where was them 104 00:04:41,579 --> 00:04:50,399 okay the oldest ones are those 44 years 105 00:04:45,930 --> 00:04:53,939 and I think 43 years or so and this is a 106 00:04:50,399 --> 00:04:56,189 very new Association this one is MUFON 107 00:04:53,939 --> 00:04:58,469 Central European section you may have 108 00:04:56,189 --> 00:05:00,990 never heard of it before and it was 109 00:04:58,470 --> 00:05:04,500 founded by the German astrophysicist 110 00:05:00,990 --> 00:05:07,050 illa Braun for loot Riga who is a very 111 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:08,848 important figure in the field of German 112 00:05:07,050 --> 00:05:12,598 UFO research I would even say on an 113 00:05:08,848 --> 00:05:14,519 international level because he helped to 114 00:05:12,598 --> 00:05:16,800 bring forward some material during the 115 00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:19,709 Rockefeller initiative if you know what 116 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:21,780 I'm referring to and later on he quit 117 00:05:19,709 --> 00:05:23,909 this organization and he founded his own 118 00:05:21,779 --> 00:05:26,448 another one that was only a couple of 119 00:05:23,910 --> 00:05:30,120 years ago which also focuses on 120 00:05:26,449 --> 00:05:32,129 anomalies so there's basically nothing 121 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,899 you ever hear about UFOs in Germany 122 00:05:32,129 --> 00:05:36,089 because officially they don't exist in 123 00:05:33,899 --> 00:05:40,288 Germany but you may have heard of this 124 00:05:36,089 --> 00:05:42,869 in July 2015 Daily Mail the the mirror 125 00:05:40,288 --> 00:05:48,300 and the Sunday Express started reporting 126 00:05:42,870 --> 00:05:50,098 on top-secret documents and German 127 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:53,759 government forced to release top-secret 128 00:05:50,098 --> 00:05:56,158 documents on UFOs and Angela Merkel 129 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:59,620 forced to release secret UFO files and 130 00:05:56,158 --> 00:06:02,918 the and the Sunday Express wrote Robert 131 00:05:59,620 --> 00:06:04,840 Alijah of EXO politic org discovered 132 00:06:02,918 --> 00:06:06,930 that the scientific survey service of 133 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,679 the German parliament had a department 134 00:06:06,930 --> 00:06:11,709 investigating the possibility of 135 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:16,150 extraterrestrial intelligence and UFOs 136 00:06:11,709 --> 00:06:17,709 so top secret documents and a department 137 00:06:16,149 --> 00:06:21,849 within the scientific service 138 00:06:17,709 --> 00:06:28,239 researching UFOs it's both wrong so what 139 00:06:21,850 --> 00:06:31,540 actually happened and it actually it all 140 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:34,780 goes back to a United Nations decision 141 00:06:31,540 --> 00:06:41,919 from 1978 which I'm sure you are aware 142 00:06:34,779 --> 00:06:44,079 of in 1978 the General Assembly invited 143 00:06:41,918 --> 00:06:46,029 interested member states to take 144 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:48,490 appropriate steps to coordinate on a 145 00:06:46,029 --> 00:06:50,769 national level scientific research and 146 00:06:48,490 --> 00:06:53,379 investigation into extraterrestrial life 147 00:06:50,769 --> 00:06:55,299 including UFOs and to inform the 148 00:06:53,379 --> 00:06:57,550 secretary-general of the observations 149 00:06:55,300 --> 00:07:04,270 research and evaluation of such 150 00:06:57,550 --> 00:07:07,180 activities so I made some research at 151 00:07:04,269 --> 00:07:09,819 the political archive of Germany's 152 00:07:07,180 --> 00:07:12,160 Foreign Office and I found out that this 153 00:07:09,819 --> 00:07:14,709 aim the original aim actually had not 154 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,840 been to I mean this is very general you 155 00:07:14,709 --> 00:07:19,569 know invites interested member states 156 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:24,699 and stuff the original aim had been to 157 00:07:19,569 --> 00:07:27,810 create a UFO investigation unit at the 158 00:07:24,699 --> 00:07:31,240 at the United Nations level and this aim 159 00:07:27,810 --> 00:07:33,160 was hindered by Germany's permanent 160 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:36,579 mission to the United Nations among 161 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:39,250 others the Austrians played along as 162 00:07:36,579 --> 00:07:40,930 well so I made some research in the 163 00:07:39,250 --> 00:07:43,509 political archives and I found this 164 00:07:40,930 --> 00:07:45,430 telegram for example which shows which 165 00:07:43,509 --> 00:07:47,500 says quite apart from the wider 166 00:07:45,430 --> 00:07:49,389 implications of such resolution draft 167 00:07:47,500 --> 00:07:52,089 the reference to the outer space 168 00:07:49,389 --> 00:07:54,848 committee alone has its misgivings as it 169 00:07:52,089 --> 00:07:57,069 would incur Canada's desire to become a 170 00:07:54,848 --> 00:07:58,538 member of the outer space committee 171 00:07:57,069 --> 00:08:02,560 which would therefore be constantly 172 00:07:58,538 --> 00:08:04,300 occupied with the UFO question and SPC 173 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,490 will probably finish treating this item 174 00:08:04,300 --> 00:08:08,439 until the end of week until then the 175 00:08:06,490 --> 00:08:11,139 United States and Austria will try to 176 00:08:08,439 --> 00:08:12,560 pursue it grenada to withdraw its 177 00:08:11,139 --> 00:08:14,659 resolution draft 178 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,939 and to accept a more general declaration 179 00:08:14,660 --> 00:08:19,910 which invites interested member states 180 00:08:16,939 --> 00:08:23,269 to become a member of a non UN Committee 181 00:08:19,910 --> 00:08:25,490 for the study of UFOs so you see even 182 00:08:23,269 --> 00:08:27,168 back then Germany did not have the 183 00:08:25,490 --> 00:08:30,850 slightest interest in supporting 184 00:08:27,168 --> 00:08:34,069 anything related to UFOs another 185 00:08:30,850 --> 00:08:38,210 interesting thing happened in 1993 you 186 00:08:34,070 --> 00:08:41,659 remember the Belgium UFO wave that was a 187 00:08:38,210 --> 00:08:45,860 very important development also on on a 188 00:08:41,658 --> 00:08:48,350 political level in the 1990s you had 189 00:08:45,860 --> 00:08:50,629 hundreds of people seeing triangular 190 00:08:48,350 --> 00:08:52,909 shaped craft over Belgium and as a 191 00:08:50,629 --> 00:08:55,879 consequence the member of the European 192 00:08:52,909 --> 00:08:59,088 Parliament a DoD Rupo tabled a motion 193 00:08:55,879 --> 00:09:02,419 for a resolution on the creation of a 194 00:08:59,089 --> 00:09:06,080 European Observatory for UFOs so he 195 00:09:02,419 --> 00:09:07,759 decided to drop a report and for his 196 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:11,450 report to the Parliament to the European 197 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:13,939 Parliament Professor Reggie contacted 198 00:09:11,450 --> 00:09:16,040 all air forces of the European community 199 00:09:13,940 --> 00:09:18,110 member states only France and Italy 200 00:09:16,039 --> 00:09:22,069 shared their findings with the official 201 00:09:18,110 --> 00:09:24,050 European community Reporter Spain 202 00:09:22,070 --> 00:09:26,240 refused to cooperate on the grounds to 203 00:09:24,049 --> 00:09:28,279 this data fell under the military secret 204 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,500 and the Germans were even better they 205 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:33,169 said the German Air Force said that it 206 00:09:30,500 --> 00:09:35,480 was not competent in this matter and it 207 00:09:33,169 --> 00:09:40,610 but it did not indicate which service 208 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:43,159 was competent so so they didn't even say 209 00:09:40,610 --> 00:09:46,190 it's secret they say oh basically 210 00:09:43,159 --> 00:09:48,439 nothing and that's the official line in 211 00:09:46,190 --> 00:09:51,080 Germany here you see our former Minister 212 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:53,780 of the Interior Wolfgang Schauble in 213 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:56,240 2008 he stated an authority or 214 00:09:53,779 --> 00:09:58,730 institution at the federal level which 215 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,680 record or evaluates alleged sightings of 216 00:09:58,730 --> 00:10:02,870 UFOs and projects such as those 217 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:05,659 described by you are not known here 218 00:10:02,870 --> 00:10:07,459 which is an interesting way to say it 219 00:10:05,659 --> 00:10:08,149 because for him being the Minister of 220 00:10:07,458 --> 00:10:10,458 the Interior 221 00:10:08,149 --> 00:10:12,379 he should know whether there is 222 00:10:10,458 --> 00:10:14,838 something or not it's interesting he 223 00:10:12,379 --> 00:10:17,480 says are not known here he also had 224 00:10:14,839 --> 00:10:20,810 always been wondering what that actually 225 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:22,940 means it's not that politicians in 226 00:10:20,809 --> 00:10:24,229 Germany are generally not interested in 227 00:10:22,940 --> 00:10:26,330 the subject 228 00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:28,279 from time to time you have members of 229 00:10:26,330 --> 00:10:30,290 the German Bundestag which is the German 230 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:32,480 Federal Parliament ask interesting 231 00:10:30,289 --> 00:10:35,089 questions like this one from the Liberal 232 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:37,220 Party in 2008 he asked how many 233 00:10:35,090 --> 00:10:39,019 sightings of so-called UFOs are 234 00:10:37,220 --> 00:10:41,740 extraterrestrials has the federal 235 00:10:39,019 --> 00:10:44,990 government registered since 2000 and 236 00:10:41,740 --> 00:10:46,669 does the federal government intend after 237 00:10:44,990 --> 00:10:48,889 the British and French governments have 238 00:10:46,669 --> 00:10:51,949 published their files on UFO sightings 239 00:10:48,889 --> 00:10:54,049 to also publish their files on sightings 240 00:10:51,950 --> 00:10:57,230 of UFOs and extraterrestrials in Germany 241 00:10:54,049 --> 00:11:00,469 and the answer of the German government 242 00:10:57,230 --> 00:11:02,450 is the government has no information on 243 00:11:00,470 --> 00:11:05,330 sightings of so-called UFOs or 244 00:11:02,450 --> 00:11:07,400 extraterrestrials in Germany and there 245 00:11:05,330 --> 00:11:09,050 are no accordingly there are no files on 246 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:13,279 the UFO sightings that could be 247 00:11:09,049 --> 00:11:15,319 considered for publication and I mean 248 00:11:13,279 --> 00:11:16,819 just you know I see this in the contrast 249 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,370 of what's happening here in the United 250 00:11:16,820 --> 00:11:21,500 Kingdom you know you have thousands of 251 00:11:19,370 --> 00:11:25,220 pages of government documents relating 252 00:11:21,500 --> 00:11:27,440 to UFOs another member of the German 253 00:11:25,220 --> 00:11:29,660 parliament from the Green Party here as 254 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,100 in the same year what is the federal 255 00:11:29,659 --> 00:11:34,370 government's estimate of the probability 256 00:11:31,100 --> 00:11:36,529 of the existence of intelligent et life 257 00:11:34,370 --> 00:11:38,960 and what is the estimated probability 258 00:11:36,529 --> 00:11:41,839 that ETS will land on the territory of 259 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:43,910 the Federal Republic of Germany and the 260 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,830 government answered that they have no 261 00:11:43,909 --> 00:11:48,049 knowledge that would permit a reliable 262 00:11:45,830 --> 00:11:51,050 assessment of the probability of 263 00:11:48,049 --> 00:11:52,429 extraterrestrial life according to the 264 00:11:51,049 --> 00:11:54,889 current state of scientific knowledge 265 00:11:52,429 --> 00:11:56,959 the government considers a landing of 266 00:11:54,889 --> 00:12:01,639 aliens on the territory of the of 267 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:03,560 Germany to be out of the question out of 268 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:05,960 the question you know you see the 269 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:08,959 Germans they have actually traveled all 270 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,879 the space that's available to us and 271 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:14,840 even unavailable to us they know that 272 00:12:10,879 --> 00:12:19,370 it's out of the question you know okay 273 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:20,899 so in more or less the same year I you 274 00:12:19,370 --> 00:12:22,700 know I also started to do enquiries 275 00:12:20,899 --> 00:12:24,949 because that was for me it was really 276 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:27,800 interesting to see and I just wanted to 277 00:12:24,950 --> 00:12:29,629 know how is it that in 21 countries 278 00:12:27,799 --> 00:12:32,929 around the world and I have compiled a 279 00:12:29,629 --> 00:12:35,029 whole list and all of that and Brazil 280 00:12:32,929 --> 00:12:36,908 you know Italy Spain all those countries 281 00:12:35,029 --> 00:12:39,918 I have all those files 282 00:12:36,908 --> 00:12:44,178 how is it that Germany is like this 283 00:12:39,918 --> 00:12:47,568 black hole in I mean you know I grew up 284 00:12:44,178 --> 00:12:51,528 in East Germany in Leipzig that was the 285 00:12:47,568 --> 00:12:53,718 former Soviet zone and we didn't have 286 00:12:51,528 --> 00:12:57,619 bananas in East Germany so there was a 287 00:12:53,719 --> 00:12:59,809 joke which said why are bananas curved 288 00:12:57,619 --> 00:13:03,889 because they had to make a turn around 289 00:12:59,808 --> 00:13:06,558 East Germany for 40 years and when it 290 00:13:03,889 --> 00:13:08,269 comes to UFOs it seems like it's more or 291 00:13:06,558 --> 00:13:10,788 less the same even though I don't know 292 00:13:08,269 --> 00:13:12,528 so many reports about curved UFOs but 293 00:13:10,788 --> 00:13:14,958 you know I just couldn't imagine that 294 00:13:12,528 --> 00:13:16,999 there are no files at all and that no 295 00:13:14,958 --> 00:13:18,228 government agencies interested in the 296 00:13:16,999 --> 00:13:21,949 subject so I started to do some 297 00:13:18,229 --> 00:13:24,049 inquiries and I asked the the former 298 00:13:21,948 --> 00:13:27,108 Minister of Defence Carl Teodor Scouten 299 00:13:24,048 --> 00:13:29,568 back about possibly existing UFO files 300 00:13:27,109 --> 00:13:31,699 and I received the the following answer 301 00:13:29,568 --> 00:13:34,128 throughout the existence of the 302 00:13:31,698 --> 00:13:36,048 Bundeswehr there has not been there has 303 00:13:34,129 --> 00:13:38,418 been no case in which an initially 304 00:13:36,048 --> 00:13:41,678 unidentified flying object was 305 00:13:38,418 --> 00:13:43,848 attributed to an extraterrestrial origin 306 00:13:41,678 --> 00:13:46,188 accordingly the Federal Ministry of 307 00:13:43,849 --> 00:13:49,369 Defense does not keep any records on the 308 00:13:46,188 --> 00:13:51,048 UFO phenomenon described by you what you 309 00:13:49,369 --> 00:13:53,408 what you need to know by the way is I 310 00:13:51,048 --> 00:13:55,369 never asked about UFOs related to 311 00:13:53,408 --> 00:13:57,369 extraterrestrial or anything you know I 312 00:13:55,369 --> 00:14:00,859 completely avoided the term 313 00:13:57,369 --> 00:14:02,989 extraterrestrial I really just asked 314 00:14:00,859 --> 00:14:05,989 about UFOs so this was a way for them to 315 00:14:02,989 --> 00:14:08,929 you know not having to answer my my 316 00:14:05,989 --> 00:14:11,479 question in other answers to members of 317 00:14:08,928 --> 00:14:13,818 the public the German military even went 318 00:14:11,479 --> 00:14:16,069 as far as to state categorically that 319 00:14:13,818 --> 00:14:18,738 since the foundation of the German 320 00:14:16,068 --> 00:14:21,649 Bundeswehr the German armed forces they 321 00:14:18,739 --> 00:14:23,599 never had anything unusual on their 322 00:14:21,649 --> 00:14:28,099 radar screens which they could not 323 00:14:23,599 --> 00:14:32,889 eventually identify which is weird 324 00:14:28,099 --> 00:14:32,889 because well the Swiss have 325 00:14:33,369 --> 00:14:39,410 the Swiss have registered unidentified 326 00:14:36,318 --> 00:14:43,878 radar returns over German territory with 327 00:14:39,409 --> 00:14:47,149 their Swiss radar stations like in this 328 00:14:43,879 --> 00:14:49,428 case on May on May 5th 1996 a night not 329 00:14:47,149 --> 00:14:51,499 or early warning radar station in 330 00:14:49,428 --> 00:14:53,778 Masterton that's near the the Swiss 331 00:14:51,499 --> 00:14:56,558 German border the Swiss German border is 332 00:14:53,778 --> 00:15:00,639 this Green Line here it's all of the 333 00:14:56,558 --> 00:15:04,368 burglary this is the Swiss German border 334 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:06,859 this is the NATO early warning radar 335 00:15:04,369 --> 00:15:08,689 station and there is a no-fly zone here 336 00:15:06,859 --> 00:15:10,910 which is marked in red and there should 337 00:15:08,688 --> 00:15:13,759 be absolutely nothing in it and yet 338 00:15:10,909 --> 00:15:15,678 there are unidentified radar returns by 339 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:19,489 the way another interesting radar plot 340 00:15:15,678 --> 00:15:22,399 is this one from June 18 1993 that was 341 00:15:19,489 --> 00:15:24,679 over Swiss territory and there was an 342 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:28,789 unidentified object traveling with 343 00:15:24,678 --> 00:15:30,588 approximately 240 km/h please don't ask 344 00:15:28,789 --> 00:15:33,948 me how much that is miles now I don't 345 00:15:30,589 --> 00:15:35,989 know and why are the radar operators are 346 00:15:33,948 --> 00:15:39,409 trying to identify that object it 347 00:15:35,989 --> 00:15:42,589 suddenly accelerates and turns makes a 348 00:15:39,409 --> 00:15:48,649 sharp angle turn and shoots away at Mach 349 00:15:42,589 --> 00:15:53,239 4 so Mac for a right angle turn at Mach 350 00:15:48,649 --> 00:15:56,948 4 which is interesting because it seems 351 00:15:53,239 --> 00:15:59,809 that UFOs do not only not obey our 352 00:15:56,948 --> 00:16:01,628 flight regulations but not even our 353 00:15:59,808 --> 00:16:07,100 natural laws 354 00:16:01,629 --> 00:16:09,589 so all those radar plots by the way were 355 00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:12,019 first published by Alou Brandt from 356 00:16:09,589 --> 00:16:20,629 Ljubica the astrophysicist I mentioned 357 00:16:12,019 --> 00:16:23,720 before and yeah ok in 2009 I had the 358 00:16:20,629 --> 00:16:25,579 chance to get in touch with a member of 359 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:28,369 the German Bundestag this is her 360 00:16:25,578 --> 00:16:29,568 actually during the interview I didn't 361 00:16:28,369 --> 00:16:30,339 do the interview myself it was a 362 00:16:29,568 --> 00:16:33,139 colleague of mine 363 00:16:30,339 --> 00:16:34,549 we presented her a briefing document 364 00:16:33,139 --> 00:16:36,798 that we had written for politicians and 365 00:16:34,548 --> 00:16:39,318 journalists which contains all these 366 00:16:36,798 --> 00:16:44,088 kinds of information valuable 367 00:16:39,318 --> 00:16:46,610 information on UFOs and we asked her how 368 00:16:44,089 --> 00:16:49,130 is it that this United Nations decisions 369 00:16:46,610 --> 00:16:52,490 3:46 was actually never implemented in 370 00:16:49,129 --> 00:16:55,970 germany so she was very kind she said 371 00:16:52,490 --> 00:16:59,329 well I have no idea but you know what I 372 00:16:55,970 --> 00:17:02,269 will ask the scientific service of the 373 00:16:59,328 --> 00:17:05,240 Bundestag to draft a report on that 374 00:17:02,269 --> 00:17:08,088 question why the UN decision 33:46 has 375 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:10,250 never been implemented in Germany and I 376 00:17:08,088 --> 00:17:13,369 will also Commission the scientific 377 00:17:10,250 --> 00:17:17,269 service of the Bundestag to write a 378 00:17:13,369 --> 00:17:22,009 report about how UFOs are treated by 379 00:17:17,269 --> 00:17:26,298 European authorities and sure enough 380 00:17:22,009 --> 00:17:29,839 only a couple of weeks later I had a big 381 00:17:26,298 --> 00:17:33,139 envelope in my mailbox was very nice 382 00:17:29,839 --> 00:17:34,609 letter and she sent me those studies and 383 00:17:33,140 --> 00:17:36,230 those are the studies from the 384 00:17:34,609 --> 00:17:37,939 scientific service of the German 385 00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:39,950 Bundestag the search for 386 00:17:37,940 --> 00:17:43,730 extraterrestrial life and the adoption 387 00:17:39,950 --> 00:17:46,279 of UN resolution a33 four to six about 388 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:48,950 the observation of unidentified flying 389 00:17:46,279 --> 00:17:50,990 objects and extraterrestrial life-forms 390 00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:52,730 and the other one about the European 391 00:17:50,990 --> 00:17:57,460 Union and how it deals with the subject 392 00:17:52,730 --> 00:17:59,360 of UFOs this study undertaken by the 393 00:17:57,460 --> 00:18:03,190 scientific service of the Bundestag 394 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:06,250 could not be called scientific actually 395 00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:08,298 it doesn't contain anything valuable 396 00:18:06,250 --> 00:18:12,798 anything you 397 00:18:08,298 --> 00:18:16,759 they even quoted the United Nations 398 00:18:12,798 --> 00:18:18,440 decision from an EXO politics website so 399 00:18:16,759 --> 00:18:21,319 they don't even have a draw with the 400 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:24,308 original text it was actually a bunch of 401 00:18:21,319 --> 00:18:26,629 a list of TV documentaries and some 402 00:18:24,308 --> 00:18:28,308 things you can read up on the internet 403 00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:31,040 but it contained an interesting 404 00:18:28,308 --> 00:18:32,599 statement which was the fact that both 405 00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:34,308 Great Britain and France had been 406 00:18:32,599 --> 00:18:36,980 dealing with questions about the 407 00:18:34,308 --> 00:18:39,500 existence of UFOs and ET la forms and 408 00:18:36,980 --> 00:18:41,960 have given up their secrecy to publish 409 00:18:39,500 --> 00:18:44,269 it even on the internet suggests the 410 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,919 assumption that German authorities or 411 00:18:44,269 --> 00:18:49,369 ministries have been dealing with that 412 00:18:45,919 --> 00:18:51,860 question as well so that was new because 413 00:18:49,369 --> 00:18:54,469 the German government's position had 414 00:18:51,859 --> 00:18:56,359 always been that this is a non-existing 415 00:18:54,470 --> 00:18:58,970 subject that there's no interest there 416 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,000 would be no interest and they also went 417 00:18:58,970 --> 00:19:02,910 on to say 418 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:06,059 in addition when the United Nations 419 00:19:02,910 --> 00:19:07,950 resolution was adopted in 1978 there was 420 00:19:06,059 --> 00:19:10,769 still a very pronounced east-west 421 00:19:07,950 --> 00:19:12,840 conflict mentality at least from a 422 00:19:10,769 --> 00:19:14,940 military point of view there might have 423 00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:17,369 been a need at the time to investigate 424 00:19:14,940 --> 00:19:19,039 reports of phenomena or phenomena of 425 00:19:17,369 --> 00:19:23,279 UFOs 426 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:25,379 so I reported on this it was very well 427 00:19:23,279 --> 00:19:29,609 received by the the German public and 428 00:19:25,380 --> 00:19:32,760 then one of the people who saw this he 429 00:19:29,609 --> 00:19:36,119 also wanted to see the document and he 430 00:19:32,759 --> 00:19:38,819 was refused access to this study 431 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:42,209 undertaken by the Bundestag so he 432 00:19:38,819 --> 00:19:44,849 decided to sue the government and that 433 00:19:42,210 --> 00:19:48,539 was in 2011 that's bill this is Berlin 434 00:19:44,849 --> 00:19:50,730 citizen Frank Wright Amaya who wanted to 435 00:19:48,539 --> 00:19:54,210 see the study as well he filed an FOI a 436 00:19:50,730 --> 00:20:00,000 request which was denied he was denied 437 00:19:54,210 --> 00:20:02,759 access because the German foi a Freedom 438 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,490 of Information Act was only set up in 439 00:20:02,759 --> 00:20:09,119 2006 so it's a very relatively new 440 00:20:05,490 --> 00:20:10,799 concept of law in in Germany and it 441 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,179 would not be applicable to studies 442 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:14,279 written by the Scientific Research 443 00:20:12,180 --> 00:20:16,920 Service of the Bundestag so he sued the 444 00:20:14,279 --> 00:20:19,139 German government and the First Instance 445 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,779 Administrative Court in Berlin approved 446 00:20:19,140 --> 00:20:24,750 his crest request and ordered the 447 00:20:21,779 --> 00:20:28,769 Bundestag to release that study but the 448 00:20:24,750 --> 00:20:31,349 Bundestag lodged an appeal because they 449 00:20:28,769 --> 00:20:33,119 knew that what was at stake here was not 450 00:20:31,349 --> 00:20:35,909 the scientific what the scientific 451 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,769 service knows about UFOs but whether all 452 00:20:35,910 --> 00:20:40,130 the studies ever undertaken by the 453 00:20:37,769 --> 00:20:43,889 scientific service in the name of 454 00:20:40,130 --> 00:20:45,900 members of the Bundestag should or 455 00:20:43,890 --> 00:20:51,690 should not be available to members of 456 00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:53,490 the public in 2012 we're still you know 457 00:20:51,690 --> 00:20:55,680 we're still trying to find out what does 458 00:20:53,490 --> 00:20:57,509 the German government know what is it 459 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:01,080 is there an authority dealing with you 460 00:20:57,509 --> 00:21:03,240 of those if so which authority is there 461 00:21:01,079 --> 00:21:05,009 anything you know where where do you 462 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,980 start if you want to find German UFO 463 00:21:05,009 --> 00:21:09,900 FILES so in 2012 a friend of mine who's 464 00:21:07,980 --> 00:21:12,558 the head who used to be the head of a 465 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:14,120 German UFO Association started to 466 00:21:12,558 --> 00:21:16,700 write letters to all ministries of the 467 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:20,298 interior of the German individual 468 00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:22,639 federal states and the ministry of the 469 00:21:20,298 --> 00:21:25,759 interior of North rhine-westphalia in 470 00:21:22,638 --> 00:21:27,288 the north and west of Germany confirmed 471 00:21:25,759 --> 00:21:29,839 that the police forwards 472 00:21:27,288 --> 00:21:32,480 I quote reports an unexplained aerial 473 00:21:29,839 --> 00:21:35,230 phenomena when they are related to a 474 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,999 space security issues to a so-called 475 00:21:35,230 --> 00:21:39,139 national situation and command center 476 00:21:37,999 --> 00:21:41,538 for air safety 477 00:21:39,138 --> 00:21:42,949 that's another NATO combined Air 478 00:21:41,538 --> 00:21:44,868 Operations Center in North 479 00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:47,538 rhine-westphalia close to the Dutch 480 00:21:44,868 --> 00:21:49,519 border but the Ministry of Defence would 481 00:21:47,538 --> 00:21:51,528 not officially confirm that this 482 00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:55,490 situation and command center for air 483 00:21:51,528 --> 00:21:58,179 safety does in fact receive view of all 484 00:21:55,490 --> 00:22:01,669 reports from the police and I know that 485 00:21:58,179 --> 00:22:05,499 when this whole story broke back then in 486 00:22:01,669 --> 00:22:08,149 2011 you know I had a lot of calls from 487 00:22:05,499 --> 00:22:10,579 colleagues of mine working for the 488 00:22:08,148 --> 00:22:12,768 mainstream press and one of them was 489 00:22:10,579 --> 00:22:15,168 working for a very major news 490 00:22:12,769 --> 00:22:16,609 organization in Germany I can't reveal 491 00:22:15,169 --> 00:22:19,369 its name because it would get him into 492 00:22:16,609 --> 00:22:22,459 trouble but he said to me that he called 493 00:22:19,368 --> 00:22:26,269 the press officer of the Ministry of 494 00:22:22,460 --> 00:22:29,749 Defence and this press officer confirmed 495 00:22:26,269 --> 00:22:32,179 to him on the phone and that the 496 00:22:29,749 --> 00:22:35,450 national situation and command center 497 00:22:32,179 --> 00:22:38,028 for AC air safety does receive UFO 498 00:22:35,450 --> 00:22:41,330 reports from the police but whenever 499 00:22:38,028 --> 00:22:43,788 such a UFO report comes in to the center 500 00:22:41,329 --> 00:22:47,449 which is obliged to investigate whether 501 00:22:43,788 --> 00:22:50,480 there is an a threat to air safety they 502 00:22:47,450 --> 00:22:54,379 will immediately throw those reports 503 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:58,548 into the bin which is completely logical 504 00:22:54,378 --> 00:23:01,959 for a military for a military center 505 00:22:58,548 --> 00:23:04,490 that is that was created to investigate 506 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:07,460 possible potential threats to air safety 507 00:23:04,490 --> 00:23:08,808 right but this was not even officially 508 00:23:07,460 --> 00:23:12,649 you know he set it on the phone and he 509 00:23:08,808 --> 00:23:14,388 said it's only between us and of course 510 00:23:12,648 --> 00:23:16,998 I believe my colleague because we had 511 00:23:14,388 --> 00:23:19,248 worked together I had no reason to not 512 00:23:16,999 --> 00:23:21,618 to believe him another friend of mine 513 00:23:19,249 --> 00:23:24,900 who is the editor in chief of a Swiss 514 00:23:21,618 --> 00:23:27,179 print magazine mysteries magazine 515 00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:29,730 he continued that research and he 516 00:23:27,180 --> 00:23:34,289 started to do more inquiries to German 517 00:23:29,730 --> 00:23:37,680 authorities and in March 2012 he wrote a 518 00:23:34,289 --> 00:23:38,609 letter to the German police and off 519 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,710 rhine westphalia 520 00:23:38,609 --> 00:23:43,829 and asked them about how they handled 521 00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:46,019 UFO reports and it was confirmed to him 522 00:23:43,829 --> 00:23:48,539 that when it's about accidents in 523 00:23:46,019 --> 00:23:50,400 airspace there is no report to that 524 00:23:48,539 --> 00:23:53,220 situation and command center for air 525 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,290 safety but for all other things they 526 00:23:53,220 --> 00:23:57,360 will be contacted and the information 527 00:23:55,289 --> 00:24:01,409 will be forwarded to them so that was 528 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:04,109 yet another confirmation now what is 529 00:24:01,410 --> 00:24:07,440 this national airspace situation and 530 00:24:04,109 --> 00:24:10,079 command center it is stationed in Edom 531 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,539 on the lower Rhine it's almost 100 532 00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:14,339 military and civilian employees who have 533 00:24:12,539 --> 00:24:16,680 a complete overview of German and 534 00:24:14,339 --> 00:24:19,319 European airspace and they have a 535 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,960 network of 45 air traffic control and 536 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:25,349 Bundeswehr radar installations as well 537 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:30,150 as data from our works early warning 538 00:24:25,349 --> 00:24:33,139 aircraft so they have everything under 539 00:24:30,150 --> 00:24:36,750 control so if there's anything unusual 540 00:24:33,140 --> 00:24:42,930 showing up on the radar in theory they 541 00:24:36,750 --> 00:24:44,640 should know in 2013 the higher 542 00:24:42,930 --> 00:24:48,210 administrative Court of berlin 543 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:50,850 brandenburg revoked the decision to open 544 00:24:48,210 --> 00:24:54,660 up the Bundestag UFO the so called UFO 545 00:24:50,849 --> 00:24:57,569 file the Bundestag UFO study at this 546 00:24:54,660 --> 00:25:01,080 point the plaintiff Frank Wright Amaya 547 00:24:57,569 --> 00:25:03,419 he was really it was really depressed 548 00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:06,240 you know he really he really struggled 549 00:25:03,420 --> 00:25:10,050 to take a decision to lodge an appeal 550 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:12,420 because for lack of funding basically it 551 00:25:10,049 --> 00:25:16,109 was him it was David against Goliath you 552 00:25:12,420 --> 00:25:17,730 know he had no money he was suing the 553 00:25:16,109 --> 00:25:20,159 German government the German government 554 00:25:17,730 --> 00:25:24,180 at that point had commissioned an 555 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:28,350 international law firm to to represent 556 00:25:24,180 --> 00:25:32,400 them in court they had they had written 557 00:25:28,349 --> 00:25:34,649 and an expertise thing you know which 558 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,300 must have cost ten thousand euros or 559 00:25:34,650 --> 00:25:38,970 something even more 560 00:25:36,299 --> 00:25:41,730 frank vitae Maya he didn't have anything 561 00:25:38,970 --> 00:25:45,329 so he was really you know he was not 562 00:25:41,730 --> 00:25:47,220 really decided to to continue this this 563 00:25:45,329 --> 00:25:48,990 lawsuit and I said hey come on we will 564 00:25:47,220 --> 00:25:51,950 somehow get the money let's do a 565 00:25:48,990 --> 00:25:54,539 crowdfunding and so I supported him I 566 00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:56,640 reported on this case I helped him put 567 00:25:54,539 --> 00:25:58,440 together a crowdfunding campaign so that 568 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,800 the trial could continue and that he 569 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:05,840 could appeal that decision again so they 570 00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:08,960 would go into the next higher instance 571 00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:14,189 in 2013 another interesting thing 572 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:16,710 happened and have you heard of the Stasi 573 00:26:14,190 --> 00:26:20,690 do you know what the Stasi okay so 574 00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:20,690 that's the Eastern German secret service 575 00:26:21,049 --> 00:26:27,779 Stasi UFO files were discovered in 2013 576 00:26:25,009 --> 00:26:31,410 there is a German Authority that deals 577 00:26:27,779 --> 00:26:34,170 only with all the files pertaining to 578 00:26:31,410 --> 00:26:37,740 the former state security agency stats 579 00:26:34,170 --> 00:26:40,529 the shahi tour Stasi and they found some 580 00:26:37,740 --> 00:26:42,960 some of those documents I have them at 581 00:26:40,529 --> 00:26:46,319 home I must say they're not spectacular 582 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:48,960 but at least it shows that in one 583 00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:50,939 instance five people's police officers 584 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,690 from East Germany observed a UFO 585 00:26:50,940 --> 00:26:54,509 overhalla 586 00:26:51,690 --> 00:26:57,509 insects only inherit from different 587 00:26:54,509 --> 00:26:59,910 positions in 1985 and the object is said 588 00:26:57,509 --> 00:27:02,129 to have burst after a flight northwards 589 00:26:59,910 --> 00:27:04,890 behind a barracks of the Soviet armed 590 00:27:02,130 --> 00:27:07,710 forces this incident was immediately 591 00:27:04,890 --> 00:27:09,450 reported to Eric mica who was then the 592 00:27:07,710 --> 00:27:12,569 head of the ministry for state security 593 00:27:09,450 --> 00:27:16,380 and the head of the GDR foreign 594 00:27:12,569 --> 00:27:18,059 intelligence the records of the officer 595 00:27:16,380 --> 00:27:20,100 on duty show that the witness 596 00:27:18,059 --> 00:27:22,309 descriptions of the object differed from 597 00:27:20,099 --> 00:27:24,689 each other in addition in addition 598 00:27:22,309 --> 00:27:26,039 experts from the University of Halle 599 00:27:24,690 --> 00:27:28,920 which were concerned with the 600 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:31,259 observation of the sky were also asked 601 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,970 for clarification by the Stasi but they 602 00:27:31,259 --> 00:27:35,849 could not provide any new info any 603 00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:37,380 information to clarify it so there were 604 00:27:35,849 --> 00:27:39,449 no debris parts discovered from the 605 00:27:37,380 --> 00:27:41,430 object but there were newspaper 606 00:27:39,450 --> 00:27:43,289 clippings from the then Federal Republic 607 00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:45,180 of Germany about life Annamma 608 00:27:43,289 --> 00:27:46,690 phenomena at the time of their alleged 609 00:27:45,180 --> 00:27:48,340 sighting over hallo 610 00:27:46,690 --> 00:27:51,309 attached to the files of the State 611 00:27:48,339 --> 00:27:53,349 Security Security those files also 612 00:27:51,309 --> 00:27:56,769 revealed that the Stasi had little 613 00:27:53,349 --> 00:27:59,109 interest in UFOs instead of interpreting 614 00:27:56,769 --> 00:28:02,049 them in the context of possibly 615 00:27:59,109 --> 00:28:04,179 extraterrestrial origin of course the 616 00:28:02,049 --> 00:28:07,059 objects were rather regarded as secret 617 00:28:04,180 --> 00:28:11,730 weapons or clever attempts by the class 618 00:28:07,059 --> 00:28:14,710 enemy to deceive brave communists 619 00:28:11,730 --> 00:28:17,200 nevertheless the the Ministry of four 620 00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:19,720 state security was very interested in 621 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,150 studies on parapsychology from 622 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,079 neighboring states on the war of the 623 00:28:22,150 --> 00:28:25,930 Warsaw Pact 624 00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:28,629 so one of the Stasi files dealt with 625 00:28:25,930 --> 00:28:31,960 topics such as color vision with the 626 00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:34,090 skin dowsing and telepathy and an 627 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:37,710 unnamed expert in a file from the early 628 00:28:34,089 --> 00:28:40,329 1970s and came to the conclusion that 629 00:28:37,710 --> 00:28:42,519 scientists of both world systems are 630 00:28:40,329 --> 00:28:46,449 currently seriously concerned with the 631 00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:49,299 research and release of forces in humans 632 00:28:46,450 --> 00:28:52,660 and that these could not be described as 633 00:28:49,299 --> 00:28:55,180 hocus-pocus and remember that early 634 00:28:52,660 --> 00:28:56,830 1970s that's around the time when the 635 00:28:55,180 --> 00:28:58,650 Stanford Research Institute in the 636 00:28:56,829 --> 00:29:01,960 United States started to investigate 637 00:28:58,650 --> 00:29:04,600 psychic capabilities of Uri Geller and 638 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:07,569 when they started to develop this remote 639 00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:12,000 viewing thing so they were actually 640 00:29:07,569 --> 00:29:17,740 aware of that but we know nothing of 641 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:20,160 what the Stasi knew about UFOs yet so 642 00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:22,059 just to remind you this is the German 643 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,040 situation before the German 644 00:29:22,059 --> 00:29:26,679 reunification this is the inner German 645 00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:29,589 border this is this is Germany as we 646 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,299 know it now this this was East Germany 647 00:29:29,589 --> 00:29:33,490 and this was West Germany and there's 648 00:29:31,299 --> 00:29:35,409 this inner German border which is like 649 00:29:33,490 --> 00:29:39,480 the frontline of the Cold War at that 650 00:29:35,410 --> 00:29:43,290 time so it would appear more or less 651 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:46,470 logical that secret services or military 652 00:29:43,289 --> 00:29:49,359 would be interested in UFO sightings as 653 00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:51,759 the scientific service of the Bundestag 654 00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:54,250 had said because it could very well be 655 00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:59,980 spy drones from the political opponents 656 00:29:54,250 --> 00:30:00,549 and in fact it turned out in 2014 that 657 00:29:59,980 --> 00:30:09,160 also the 658 00:30:00,549 --> 00:30:11,710 B and D had UFO FILES from 1982 to 86 659 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:16,269 the Buddhist nation Dean's that's the 660 00:30:11,710 --> 00:30:18,360 federal intelligence service the the 661 00:30:16,269 --> 00:30:21,039 foreign Secret Service of Germany 662 00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:23,529 collected and analyzed witness reports 663 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:27,099 on unidentified flying object along the 664 00:30:23,529 --> 00:30:29,440 inner German border and I made a TV 665 00:30:27,099 --> 00:30:31,809 report on this which I hope you'll be 666 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,670 able to follow because I made English 667 00:30:31,809 --> 00:30:37,289 subtitles I'll just show you so that you 668 00:30:33,670 --> 00:30:37,289 see the whole the whole story 669 00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:43,509 they are eyes on f4 hyung ein Huibers 670 00:30:41,589 --> 00:30:45,909 yahoo not lung treinta d inner door 671 00:30:43,509 --> 00:30:49,509 check answer d bundesrepublik Fonda DD 672 00:30:45,910 --> 00:30:52,840 air mr. Haddad Varun on splitter meanin 673 00:30:49,509 --> 00:30:54,970 yesh we have actor tourist - macchiato 674 00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:57,819 DeForest the font discarding Vegas 675 00:30:54,970 --> 00:31:00,400 Trenton not oh goodness startin Fontaine 676 00:30:57,819 --> 00:31:03,460 and dispatch our practice of niche 677 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,560 normally TSP Hilton de Carranza Alba is 678 00:31:03,460 --> 00:31:07,720 on an octave on the snobbish condensed 679 00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:11,049 there Auslan scheme didn't step on the 680 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:13,779 sky public for 1900 spy on our safe is 681 00:31:11,049 --> 00:31:16,419 sex on our safe is a meter and Ana Lucia 682 00:31:13,779 --> 00:31:19,180 - the BND soybean barrister uber wound 683 00:31:16,420 --> 00:31:22,650 identified c8 f ligand object and lung 684 00:31:19,180 --> 00:31:22,650 the inner dodging gran sir 685 00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:29,289 the spawned Azhar - Koblenz 686 00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:31,539 he Allah Gandhi on halong bay on 687 00:31:29,289 --> 00:31:34,089 eXistenZ torture Bundys political piss 688 00:31:31,539 --> 00:31:36,190 Longfellow Eichmann the English novelist 689 00:31:34,089 --> 00:31:39,220 some yards five thousand islands Vance 690 00:31:36,190 --> 00:31:41,529 educator actor continuing the her house 691 00:31:39,220 --> 00:31:43,960 keyboardist online portal transversal 692 00:31:41,529 --> 00:31:46,629 shaft act two airlines in she tricked 693 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:49,120 anteater deer can spare and lagging 694 00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:52,420 under inner dodging cleanser who for 695 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:54,579 fund the and head of Zeman's HC seitan 696 00:31:52,420 --> 00:31:56,850 distance barrister all an illusion 697 00:31:54,579 --> 00:31:59,799 despondent a fashioned instance 698 00:31:56,849 --> 00:32:02,049 Ameer Haider actor the United fella T 699 00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:04,950 Ashley's conventional Eclair wasn't 700 00:32:02,049 --> 00:32:08,440 fluke tonin 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who are unfinished 715 00:32:43,180 --> 00:32:49,460 Sigma tan in the lofty and light Detroit 716 00:32:47,089 --> 00:32:53,299 inferni mankind and I flew kasha 717 00:32:49,460 --> 00:32:56,420 Noah and relative Liza zuman form father 718 00:32:53,299 --> 00:32:58,819 and cosa Colonel de kinshasa of quantity 719 00:32:56,420 --> 00:33:02,529 Holland firm each plant and employs 720 00:32:58,819 --> 00:33:05,720 Congress objectors niche Taos Mahal 721 00:33:02,529 --> 00:33:08,569 desserts amazi story barfi man nor 722 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:11,360 another into her son fo fella responders 723 00:33:08,569 --> 00:33:14,178 now agent in stirs few and highest 724 00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:17,058 mullah is claw the olfactory s P and D 725 00:33:14,179 --> 00:33:18,530 is MIA at no Anna anecdote to show Sam 726 00:33:17,058 --> 00:33:21,379 long from Zedong's perished 727 00:33:18,529 --> 00:33:23,808 then Z document yet of the Xie visor 728 00:33:21,380 --> 00:33:27,440 there B and D yaha lang un sistema 729 00:33:23,808 --> 00:33:29,299 tissue for for Zhang batik my face 730 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,940 Kipner hunch rafflesia no teach DS act 731 00:33:29,299 --> 00:33:35,119 the Hamdi dad to offer at bitter and an 732 00:33:31,940 --> 00:33:37,940 fo for Gong unladen the highest these 733 00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:39,919 are what's a DA these are automatic and 734 00:33:37,940 --> 00:33:43,370 guard as a scrap for I'm disabled curve 735 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:45,769 Oh for water of bow but the Estonian 736 00:33:43,369 --> 00:33:48,109 vague Vivendi de most of us an fo for 737 00:33:45,769 --> 00:33:50,859 Gong is a sanjana consent law center a 738 00:33:48,109 --> 00:33:53,539 Kenton sources are actor escape I'm 739 00:33:50,859 --> 00:33:55,459 self-sufficient in ensign and stone on 740 00:33:53,539 --> 00:33:57,678 the Skeeter house I was noted some guns 741 00:33:55,460 --> 00:34:00,710 clack afford as the hunters Ovid is a 742 00:33:57,679 --> 00:34:02,630 fella and and I have all coordinates in 743 00:34:00,710 --> 00:34:05,430 Teresa invited on somebody before 744 00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:09,179 argument from soybean Hutton 745 00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:11,579 UFOs uberta inner dodging cancer he said 746 00:34:09,179 --> 00:34:13,740 salmon fluke objective Orton as well he 747 00:34:11,579 --> 00:34:14,190 at Salon de document yet owned analyst 748 00:34:13,739 --> 00:34:16,079 yet 749 00:34:14,190 --> 00:34:17,970 Padilla business after cadence des 750 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:20,190 deutschen Bundestag as parrots five 751 00:34:17,969 --> 00:34:23,459 thousand nine in a lab assorted silica 752 00:34:20,190 --> 00:34:25,380 heightening studio mood master here 753 00:34:23,460 --> 00:34:28,168 harder to tighten as cotton kreega's 754 00:34:25,380 --> 00:34:30,480 zouri Otto Hahn had a Jewish our sign 755 00:34:28,168 --> 00:34:32,879 interested our ambush Dean Kernan who 756 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:35,280 for these two men aft so again I was 757 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:38,340 angst for espionage Ahonen Dissidia 758 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:40,380 location geekness the numbe can't 759 00:34:38,340 --> 00:34:42,990 Givaudan an actin given the indecent 760 00:34:40,380 --> 00:34:45,329 shaft lenders Bundestag has reached the 761 00:34:42,989 --> 00:34:50,069 fashion leash buildings in East mayor as 762 00:34:45,329 --> 00:34:52,710 dish pizzas icebergs the fog is noon 763 00:34:50,070 --> 00:34:54,960 Vasant Slav endogenous even of different 764 00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:56,820 is inverted then in fear in land and 765 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,130 Viet white stamped across tired 766 00:34:56,820 --> 00:35:00,360 therefore a foolish new for act in front 767 00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:02,910 sight Indus militares 768 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,099 the home games at suits fancy underhand 769 00:35:02,909 --> 00:35:06,839 Landon of the event hashed by the torch 770 00:35:05,099 --> 00:35:12,059 and Bundeswehr pissed Lang that soon 771 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:13,890 were Isaac's wagon so those were the 772 00:35:12,059 --> 00:35:16,590 files of the German federal intelligence 773 00:35:13,889 --> 00:35:19,079 service which is not the German military 774 00:35:16,590 --> 00:35:20,850 and as I just know that I don't know 775 00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:23,670 could you follow the the subtitles could 776 00:35:20,849 --> 00:35:26,670 you read them well okay good there were 777 00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:28,380 some UFO FILES from the B and D but we 778 00:35:26,670 --> 00:35:34,079 still didn't know what the German 779 00:35:28,380 --> 00:35:37,200 military had in June 2015 the Federal 780 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:40,199 Administrative Court of Germany finally 781 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:41,939 decides that studies undertaken by the 782 00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:42,719 scientific research service of the 783 00:35:41,940 --> 00:35:45,000 Bundestag 784 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,699 are to be released and the German 785 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:50,369 Freedom of Information Act so this does 786 00:35:47,699 --> 00:35:54,509 not only count for the now famous UFO 787 00:35:50,369 --> 00:35:56,730 so-called UFO study but for any like for 788 00:35:54,510 --> 00:35:59,180 all the studies ever undertaken by the 789 00:35:56,730 --> 00:36:01,289 scientific service of the Bundestag for 790 00:35:59,179 --> 00:36:03,239 members of the German parliament which 791 00:36:01,289 --> 00:36:06,449 is really important an important thing 792 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:09,119 because you remember when the United 793 00:36:06,449 --> 00:36:11,489 States and I think it was Great Britain 794 00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:14,639 and France decided to conduct airstrikes 795 00:36:11,489 --> 00:36:17,699 on Syria a couple of months ago and they 796 00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:18,519 said well we couldn't do otherwise 797 00:36:17,699 --> 00:36:20,500 because 798 00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:23,530 the United Nations Security Council was 799 00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:27,190 was obviously occupied and and blocked 800 00:36:23,530 --> 00:36:29,320 so so the German Chancellor Merkel and 801 00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:32,380 other German politicians said we find it 802 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:35,050 positive that those countries have have 803 00:36:32,380 --> 00:36:38,950 taken their responsibility to conduct 804 00:36:35,050 --> 00:36:40,450 those airstrikes and and the German 805 00:36:38,949 --> 00:36:42,399 scientific service of the German 806 00:36:40,449 --> 00:36:43,960 Bundestag actually contradicted and said 807 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,680 no this is against international law 808 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:50,260 period and this was a very important 809 00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:52,089 subject on the German news and we could 810 00:36:50,260 --> 00:36:56,070 not have this we wouldn't have this 811 00:36:52,090 --> 00:36:58,840 instance of I would say rational 812 00:36:56,070 --> 00:37:01,660 reasoning about what's going on in the 813 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:04,120 world without this man Frank I Tamiya 814 00:37:01,659 --> 00:37:07,089 who helped to bring studies from the 815 00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:10,000 scientific service to the public so in a 816 00:37:07,090 --> 00:37:14,350 way we helped write legal history in 817 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:16,349 Germany this is like those studies by 818 00:37:14,349 --> 00:37:19,509 the scientific service I like the 819 00:37:16,349 --> 00:37:21,670 eldorado for journalists but there may 820 00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:24,370 be the Pandora's Box for Germany's 821 00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:26,289 government and however we still don't 822 00:37:24,369 --> 00:37:28,900 have any clue about what the German 823 00:37:26,289 --> 00:37:32,409 military may know about UFO was at that 824 00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:37,090 point and that's why in in August of 825 00:37:32,409 --> 00:37:39,129 2015 I made another approach and I knew 826 00:37:37,090 --> 00:37:41,140 that if I would write yet another letter 827 00:37:39,130 --> 00:37:43,840 to the Ministry of Defence I would 828 00:37:41,139 --> 00:37:47,199 receive more or less the same answer so 829 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:50,920 I chose a way I did it in the most 830 00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:53,109 public way possible so I chose to go to 831 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,940 a press conference by the Speaker of the 832 00:37:53,110 --> 00:37:58,570 German government and the speakers of 833 00:37:54,940 --> 00:38:00,280 the ministries and asked the speaker of 834 00:37:58,570 --> 00:38:03,120 the German government personally and 835 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,120 this is what he said 836 00:38:06,818 --> 00:38:12,768 over flash of an extra magazine TiVo 837 00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:15,229 Japan Elizabeth Warren's commander flag 838 00:38:12,768 --> 00:38:17,328 in France each Landon had US military 839 00:38:15,228 --> 00:38:19,429 rights you needn't if it's here too few 840 00:38:17,329 --> 00:38:21,318 copy activities three years yet seen 841 00:38:19,429 --> 00:38:23,598 talung acting that's one key leaked on Z 842 00:38:21,318 --> 00:38:25,788 now at cinta larga hi my tongue off 843 00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:27,440 Mikey kiddin in Finland and keep the 844 00:38:25,789 --> 00:38:29,720 cigar strategy offer on the zoo homes 845 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,220 Bergeron when a flag on hands I bought 846 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,488 the home competition dodged and anguish 847 00:38:31,219 --> 00:38:36,469 Amanda home went under in specialist for 848 00:38:34,489 --> 00:38:38,690 tidings minis geum's the Westminster 849 00:38:36,469 --> 00:38:41,449 pasión damodhar underlined the islands 850 00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:46,119 to phone for Mukesh advisor dog exists n 851 00:38:41,449 --> 00:38:49,149 from geheime and actin Norbert inked 852 00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:52,840 into the Santa Frogger 853 00:38:49,150 --> 00:38:55,630 unzip and after an thought 854 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:58,240 ich kann dich / open decision on a visa 855 00:38:55,630 --> 00:39:00,099 an expert of Disney betrayal advised us 856 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,729 and Avaya fun mentioned keep the damn 857 00:39:00,099 --> 00:39:06,759 it's a Fiat site for bring on internet 858 00:39:02,730 --> 00:39:08,889 assist at South Station in estate Nikki 859 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,270 metal prompt politic this abundance the 860 00:39:08,889 --> 00:39:12,190 gear on estate McMullen inner end and 861 00:39:10,269 --> 00:39:15,400 the politicus abundance of young Bahama 862 00:39:12,190 --> 00:39:18,849 of mr. Schofield asses in a vise and a 863 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:20,500 frog is devious that's good it's Azam 864 00:39:18,849 --> 00:39:23,679 Lim in deutschland or the end of eight 865 00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:25,420 from Beloit on whether it's condom and 866 00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:30,449 here the father will not sniff harvested 867 00:39:25,420 --> 00:39:30,450 seeds managed battalions minister 868 00:39:31,420 --> 00:39:39,960 [Music] 869 00:39:40,170 --> 00:39:50,139 flogging no a consensus militant 870 00:39:46,809 --> 00:39:53,889 opposition is no army adhere better 871 00:39:50,139 --> 00:40:01,629 as I can't be certain candidates me as 872 00:39:53,889 --> 00:40:08,259 it is and it's after the wounds in ones 873 00:40:01,630 --> 00:40:10,269 are fine for to least completion so what 874 00:40:08,260 --> 00:40:12,340 do you think of that being British 875 00:40:10,269 --> 00:40:14,050 citizens knowing what the British 876 00:40:12,340 --> 00:40:16,269 Ministry of Defense is published 877 00:40:14,050 --> 00:40:19,120 throughout the decades and done well 878 00:40:16,269 --> 00:40:20,590 what's yeah I mean if you see this is 879 00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:22,630 the Speaker of the German Ministry of 880 00:40:20,590 --> 00:40:24,490 Defense did you notice all the people 881 00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:27,250 laughing in the room you know can you 882 00:40:24,489 --> 00:40:29,319 imagine the the the atmosphere therefore 883 00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:30,909 for me asking that question and having 884 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:35,170 hundreds of people laughing at me was 885 00:40:30,909 --> 00:40:38,819 really weird so that that didn't bring 886 00:40:35,170 --> 00:40:41,789 any success but I had some publicity in 887 00:40:38,820 --> 00:40:45,220 2016 I noticed that Hillary Clinton 888 00:40:41,789 --> 00:40:48,489 started talking about UFOs during the 889 00:40:45,219 --> 00:40:50,319 United States electoral campaign she 890 00:40:48,489 --> 00:40:52,569 wasn't Jimmy Kimmel show she referred to 891 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,070 it as UAP and stuff I had the impression 892 00:40:52,570 --> 00:40:56,320 that she didn't really know anything 893 00:40:54,070 --> 00:40:58,300 about UFOs at all and that she was not 894 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,340 so interested in the subject but she was 895 00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:03,200 told by John Podesta go and talk about 896 00:41:00,340 --> 00:41:06,840 UFOs may bring us some though 897 00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:09,419 anyway I thought well we could try this 898 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,250 in Germany too right I mean it would be 899 00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:13,710 highly unlikely that the German 900 00:41:11,250 --> 00:41:15,900 Chancellor Merkel first of all goes into 901 00:41:13,710 --> 00:41:19,349 a talk show on German television and 902 00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:21,690 secondly that she would start referring 903 00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:25,230 to UFOs by herself but I thought well I 904 00:41:21,690 --> 00:41:27,840 could try to ask candidates of all 905 00:41:25,230 --> 00:41:29,789 political parties who want to get 906 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,380 elected again because after all as you 907 00:41:29,789 --> 00:41:35,880 will notice by the way the German 908 00:41:31,380 --> 00:41:39,180 Bundestag looks like a giant UFO even 909 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,950 from the outside you know so so I 910 00:41:39,179 --> 00:41:43,169 decided to send out letters and emails 911 00:41:40,949 --> 00:41:46,099 to candidates of every political party 912 00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:51,539 before the German federal elections in 913 00:41:46,099 --> 00:41:53,690 2017 so during the campaigns I sent out 914 00:41:51,539 --> 00:41:56,429 those letters and I asked all those 915 00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:58,889 politicians the following questions will 916 00:41:56,429 --> 00:42:00,960 you after being elected to the Bundestag 917 00:41:58,889 --> 00:42:03,920 make sure that German authorities or 918 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:07,099 ministries make their UFO FILES public 919 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:09,690 that is the question that I asked to a 920 00:42:07,099 --> 00:42:12,509 couple of dozen politicians not all of 921 00:42:09,690 --> 00:42:14,880 them came back to me but some did this 922 00:42:12,510 --> 00:42:18,270 is the political spectrum in Germany so 923 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:20,039 between left and right and I mean there 924 00:42:18,269 --> 00:42:21,360 are many ways to show the political 925 00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:24,690 spectrum but this is like the most 926 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:28,410 common in in Germany so those are the 927 00:42:24,690 --> 00:42:30,030 the Socialists left left-wing party the 928 00:42:28,409 --> 00:42:31,679 Green Party which is important in 929 00:42:30,030 --> 00:42:35,040 Germany then you have the Social 930 00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:37,139 Democratic Party you have the Christian 931 00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:39,989 Democratic Union and Christian social 932 00:42:37,139 --> 00:42:42,179 Union which always show up together this 933 00:42:39,989 --> 00:42:46,139 is where Angela Merkel comes from those 934 00:42:42,179 --> 00:42:48,480 are the Liberals FDP and this is the 935 00:42:46,139 --> 00:42:49,829 relatively new party alternative for 936 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:56,070 Germany I don't know if you've heard of 937 00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:58,829 it there's more rights oriented so I 938 00:42:56,070 --> 00:43:00,990 asked politicians of all those political 939 00:42:58,829 --> 00:43:03,360 parties what they think on UFO FILES and 940 00:43:00,989 --> 00:43:05,279 here are some statements from members of 941 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:09,809 the government of the then government 942 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:12,300 coalition between SPD and CDU which is 943 00:43:09,809 --> 00:43:14,549 the same coalition that we have now so 944 00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:15,869 claim and spinning on this one from the 945 00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:18,269 Christian Democratic Union 946 00:43:15,869 --> 00:43:21,088 said I have no knowledge of UFO 947 00:43:18,268 --> 00:43:22,768 sightings and in this context I also 948 00:43:21,088 --> 00:43:24,690 refer to your conversation with 949 00:43:22,768 --> 00:43:26,248 government spokesman Stephane zai but 950 00:43:24,690 --> 00:43:29,190 and a spokesman of the Federal Ministry 951 00:43:26,248 --> 00:43:31,949 of Defense in september 2015 at the 952 00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:33,809 federal press conference the two 953 00:43:31,949 --> 00:43:36,509 spokespersons had no knowledge of any 954 00:43:33,809 --> 00:43:38,548 such events so he watched my video or 955 00:43:36,509 --> 00:43:40,798 they had some record on it 956 00:43:38,548 --> 00:43:44,309 Thomas Opperman an important politician 957 00:43:40,798 --> 00:43:45,929 from the SPD said I can only underline 958 00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:48,359 what my colleague Clement spinning 959 00:43:45,929 --> 00:43:52,078 already told you I know nothing on UFOs 960 00:43:48,358 --> 00:43:53,578 who bear too high an SPD said I can only 961 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:58,079 underline what my colleague Thomas 962 00:43:53,579 --> 00:44:02,759 Oberman already told heroes there are 963 00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:06,450 completely the same emails you know then 964 00:44:02,759 --> 00:44:09,179 I was electrified by a statement from 965 00:44:06,449 --> 00:44:11,879 the head of the Green Party 966 00:44:09,179 --> 00:44:14,399 she said the secret documents on 967 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,890 unidentified flying objects must be made 968 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,740 public I said great but then I read on 969 00:44:16,889 --> 00:44:20,639 she said 970 00:44:18,739 --> 00:44:23,848 unfortunately however these are only 971 00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:25,739 available in Klingon and partly blacked 972 00:44:23,849 --> 00:44:27,329 out if you are familiar with this 973 00:44:25,739 --> 00:44:34,519 language or know someone who is please 974 00:44:27,329 --> 00:44:34,519 contact the BND so so you know 975 00:44:34,579 --> 00:44:39,690 then I had another interesting reaction 976 00:44:37,498 --> 00:44:43,139 do you know this guy Martin Schultz he 977 00:44:39,690 --> 00:44:45,599 was Merkel's main rival main opponent 978 00:44:43,139 --> 00:44:47,219 during the vast federal elections he 979 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:49,950 also used to be the president of the 980 00:44:47,219 --> 00:44:54,748 European Parliament from 2012 to 2017 981 00:44:49,949 --> 00:44:58,078 and in August 2017 I had a chance to ask 982 00:44:54,748 --> 00:45:00,238 Angela Merkel's main opponent Martin 983 00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:02,880 Schultz personally whether he would open 984 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:05,309 UFO FILES so keep in mind this is her 985 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:08,519 main opponent at that time and he gave a 986 00:45:05,309 --> 00:45:11,970 very interesting answer and the vital of 987 00:45:08,518 --> 00:45:14,729 our deep dish peasants matter a fella to 988 00:45:11,969 --> 00:45:17,248 fight for Nagar London is India on an 989 00:45:14,730 --> 00:45:21,619 obscure moon state and laser they're 990 00:45:17,248 --> 00:45:21,618 like cigar folks or about Fleischer 991 00:45:24,869 --> 00:45:30,338 koonta control center citizen meets on 992 00:45:28,568 --> 00:45:32,769 the infomercial inspired in Deutschland 993 00:45:30,338 --> 00:45:34,539 and each man relief are typically total 994 00:45:32,769 --> 00:45:37,989 ants as well in items Francis Landon 995 00:45:34,539 --> 00:45:40,269 after vet Sint formats geheime kite and 996 00:45:37,989 --> 00:45:42,358 you for acting foolish twaddle on the 997 00:45:40,269 --> 00:45:46,420 handle Amin franchise cosplay Italian 998 00:45:42,358 --> 00:45:48,369 Italian on spanien and completely listed 999 00:45:46,420 --> 00:45:50,858 here as a fad citizen toshio to keep in 1000 00:45:48,369 --> 00:45:52,630 the scanner and automatically open 1001 00:45:50,858 --> 00:45:55,900 Deutschland Mahone on Britain's easy as 1002 00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:57,880 endures cancer that feline Jetson on 1003 00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:59,410 when if Farkas Nebojsa vote for acting 1004 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,660 vision dodged and some of ceased after 1005 00:45:59,409 --> 00:46:11,588 ions at certain that sky-high Maroof 1006 00:46:01,659 --> 00:46:14,379 Latin English garden the Music Academy 1007 00:46:11,588 --> 00:46:20,529 shall be smitten team knowledge but 1008 00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:22,630 first in Frankish enfranchised and if on 1009 00:46:20,530 --> 00:46:29,650 an establish new foe for some spirit of 1010 00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:32,740 force turnovers let a moment mind for so 1011 00:46:29,650 --> 00:46:35,260 for Zula in each half of st can apply on 1012 00:46:32,739 --> 00:46:37,899 Watsa game then these are initial 1013 00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:39,640 finished via another shipment classified 1014 00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:41,680 SIGINT of often beyond its Kehinde 1015 00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:44,230 uncanny genious niche first question on 1016 00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:46,088 interfacing the Gazette's leashes it's a 1017 00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:48,130 fire finish then i'm bundeskanzler the 1018 00:46:46,088 --> 00:46:51,400 velocity is omega sensation program the 1019 00:46:48,130 --> 00:46:55,088 bundle and in about Susan even a proven 1020 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:59,588 vicinity for houses own the homes in see 1021 00:46:55,088 --> 00:47:02,289 as geheime class if it's here on Venice 1022 00:46:59,588 --> 00:47:04,509 kind of item guy might've in December I 1023 00:47:02,289 --> 00:47:09,539 bet that of tambourine indoguna star 1024 00:47:04,510 --> 00:47:09,540 force la sit so far evolution via nag 1025 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:16,400 so that was for German for German 1026 00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:20,570 circumstances this was sort of a 1027 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:23,269 revolutionary statement as you see so 1028 00:47:20,570 --> 00:47:24,890 that was interesting and when he said 1029 00:47:23,269 --> 00:47:26,929 that there was some interest on the 1030 00:47:24,889 --> 00:47:28,369 German media people said Martin Schultz 1031 00:47:26,929 --> 00:47:31,789 wants to open UFO FILES 1032 00:47:28,369 --> 00:47:33,799 and my local newspaper came up to me 1033 00:47:31,789 --> 00:47:36,920 wanted to interview me and they showed a 1034 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,600 photo with some government documents 1035 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:42,230 from Great Britain by the way showing 1036 00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:44,779 UFO and and said and I thought now they 1037 00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:46,869 would start to report seriously on the 1038 00:47:44,780 --> 00:47:50,690 subject and that there may very well be 1039 00:47:46,869 --> 00:47:52,429 secret German UFO FILES but the article 1040 00:47:50,690 --> 00:47:54,679 was basically about look at this nutty 1041 00:47:52,429 --> 00:47:57,619 guy quoted with what he dared to ask our 1042 00:47:54,679 --> 00:48:01,750 chancellor candidate here but sure 1043 00:47:57,619 --> 00:48:04,250 enough only a day or two days after 1044 00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:06,619 Martin Schultz a statement I received a 1045 00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:09,070 reply from the office of angular Merkel 1046 00:48:06,619 --> 00:48:12,199 directly from the chancellor's office I 1047 00:48:09,070 --> 00:48:15,170 had also asked her about German UFO 1048 00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:17,000 FILES and her answer was the space 1049 00:48:15,170 --> 00:48:19,369 operations center of the German military 1050 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,889 of the German Bundeswehr is tasked with 1051 00:48:19,369 --> 00:48:23,779 monitoring all near-earth objects and 1052 00:48:21,889 --> 00:48:26,089 since its beginnings there has not been 1053 00:48:23,780 --> 00:48:28,400 any data collection related to unknown 1054 00:48:26,090 --> 00:48:33,050 flying objects therefore there is no 1055 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:34,670 material to be published and the Space 1056 00:48:33,050 --> 00:48:37,400 Operations Center you need to know about 1057 00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:41,000 this is it's also located at the same 1058 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:43,760 place where this national situation and 1059 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:46,010 command center for air safety is located 1060 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:51,950 it's the same facility but another 1061 00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:53,390 branch and so I insisted and I said now 1062 00:48:51,949 --> 00:48:55,939 I have the email address from someone 1063 00:48:53,389 --> 00:48:58,309 inside the chancellor's office so I can 1064 00:48:55,940 --> 00:49:00,559 I can ask questions and I said look I 1065 00:48:58,309 --> 00:49:04,219 have all this all those documents 1066 00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:05,719 pointing to the NLF t'set this situation 1067 00:49:04,219 --> 00:49:07,639 room for air safety what if what about 1068 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,049 this of course the space operations 1069 00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,670 center doesn't deal with anything in the 1070 00:49:09,050 --> 00:49:12,380 atmosphere it's about the space but what 1071 00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:15,079 about this they are concerned with air 1072 00:49:12,380 --> 00:49:17,630 safety have you looked there and they 1073 00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:19,190 said there are no documents on the 1074 00:49:17,630 --> 00:49:21,740 subject you have requested from the 1075 00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:24,500 National situation and command center 1076 00:49:21,739 --> 00:49:25,279 for air safety and and they made sure 1077 00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:26,929 please 1078 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,490 understand there will only be no further 1079 00:49:26,929 --> 00:49:32,960 correspondence with you on the same 1080 00:49:28,489 --> 00:49:36,259 subject in the future but I dared to 1081 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:40,579 reply and say thank you 1082 00:49:36,260 --> 00:49:43,400 I mean I could talk a little more about 1083 00:49:40,579 --> 00:49:45,199 this because in fact I had also made 1084 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:48,970 some inquiries to the press office of 1085 00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:52,069 the German military and asked them what 1086 00:49:48,969 --> 00:49:55,849 what is the administrative process in 1087 00:49:52,070 --> 00:49:58,240 the event that there was something 1088 00:49:55,849 --> 00:50:00,380 unusual on this in the sky some 1089 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,389 unexplained phenomenon in the sky that's 1090 00:50:00,380 --> 00:50:05,450 how I called it because I knew that the 1091 00:50:02,389 --> 00:50:08,089 German fo ia would only relate to 1092 00:50:05,449 --> 00:50:10,819 administrative things not to the actual 1093 00:50:08,090 --> 00:50:12,650 content itself for security reasons and 1094 00:50:10,820 --> 00:50:15,230 all this so I said what are the 1095 00:50:12,650 --> 00:50:18,530 administrative procedures in that case 1096 00:50:15,230 --> 00:50:20,179 if something unexplained is is reduced 1097 00:50:18,530 --> 00:50:23,150 it in the sky and the German Bundeswehr 1098 00:50:20,179 --> 00:50:24,980 replied well in that case we do some 1099 00:50:23,150 --> 00:50:27,170 investigation whether it could be space 1100 00:50:24,980 --> 00:50:29,510 debris and we even consult with a 1101 00:50:27,170 --> 00:50:32,300 professor from a German University and 1102 00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:34,880 all of this and when I asked the same 1103 00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:38,410 question to the Ministry of Defence as 1104 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:40,789 an Freedom of Information request I 1105 00:50:38,409 --> 00:50:42,409 received the answer well there's no 1106 00:50:40,789 --> 00:50:46,130 information at all we can give you about 1107 00:50:42,409 --> 00:50:49,670 this so you see that I'm being staying 1108 00:50:46,130 --> 00:50:52,280 mated in a way you know anyway so the 1109 00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:54,139 question remains are there really no UFO 1110 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,760 encounters from the German military how 1111 00:50:54,139 --> 00:50:59,809 is it possible that the German military 1112 00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:01,840 doesn't deal with UFOs unlike as opposed 1113 00:50:59,809 --> 00:51:08,029 to more than 20 countries in the world 1114 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:10,010 how is that possible and I just couldn't 1115 00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:12,320 understand how that would be possible if 1116 00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:13,760 that's possible and then I met and it 1117 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:17,269 was just recently I met a very 1118 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:20,680 interesting man and that man is a 1119 00:51:17,269 --> 00:51:23,300 retired general from the German military 1120 00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:26,329 he was in the audience during one of my 1121 00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:28,310 lectures a couple of months ago and 1122 00:51:26,329 --> 00:51:30,230 afterwards he came to me and he said 1123 00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:32,719 it's very interesting all those 20 1124 00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:34,610 countries and scissors but there's also 1125 00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,099 something interesting I want to tell you 1126 00:51:34,610 --> 00:51:39,260 to add to your picture and oh and by the 1127 00:51:37,099 --> 00:51:41,509 way I had my own UFO encounter and I 1128 00:51:39,260 --> 00:51:46,430 said what what what's your UFO encounter 1129 00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:48,260 tell me so he said and he's he's 1130 00:51:46,429 --> 00:51:49,719 actually he's a medical doctor in the 1131 00:51:48,260 --> 00:51:53,980 rank of a general so 1132 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:55,868 he was he had worked in the highest in 1133 00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:57,880 high government ranks for 14 years 1134 00:51:55,869 --> 00:52:01,470 including the German Ministry of Defence 1135 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:06,220 and shaped NATO headquarters in Belgium 1136 00:52:01,469 --> 00:52:11,019 so on the evening of December 5 1982 1137 00:52:06,219 --> 00:52:13,389 this retired general was called he was 1138 00:52:11,019 --> 00:52:15,159 not General back then I assumed he was 1139 00:52:13,389 --> 00:52:16,598 called on a rescue mission to save an 1140 00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:19,179 old man who had suffered a cardiac 1141 00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:21,609 arrest since there were no medical 1142 00:52:19,179 --> 00:52:23,919 emergencies emergency helicopters 1143 00:52:21,608 --> 00:52:25,690 available in that region the military 1144 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:28,420 was called in to assist with their 1145 00:52:25,690 --> 00:52:30,429 search and rescue helicopter it took him 1146 00:52:28,420 --> 00:52:32,769 quite some time to resuscitate that old 1147 00:52:30,429 --> 00:52:36,219 man and they flew him to a hospital in 1148 00:52:32,769 --> 00:52:38,650 cellar and when they arrived there he 1149 00:52:36,219 --> 00:52:40,779 the old man had another cardiac arrest 1150 00:52:38,650 --> 00:52:43,510 and the medic started running down the 1151 00:52:40,780 --> 00:52:46,090 hallway a nurse saw the farmer general 1152 00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:48,340 and his and the other crew who were 1153 00:52:46,090 --> 00:52:50,380 still exhausted from having resuscitated 1154 00:52:48,340 --> 00:52:52,599 that man and from the flight and offered 1155 00:52:50,380 --> 00:52:54,460 them the helicopter crew or coffee 1156 00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:58,809 before they were to return to their base 1157 00:52:54,460 --> 00:53:01,179 in Fastback in lower saxony between 1158 00:52:58,809 --> 00:53:03,599 midnight and 1:00 a.m. on December 6 1159 00:53:01,179 --> 00:53:08,319 they climbed into their helicopter again 1160 00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:10,660 the weather that night was very bad low 1161 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,390 clouds drizzling rain and their 1162 00:53:10,659 --> 00:53:15,819 helicopter was flying at a low altitude 1163 00:53:12,389 --> 00:53:18,400 around 50 meters above surface and 1164 00:53:15,820 --> 00:53:20,170 around only 20 meters above the treetops 1165 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:26,740 so this is to give you an idea where 1166 00:53:20,170 --> 00:53:29,710 that is this red dot here is where he 1167 00:53:26,739 --> 00:53:33,250 was stationed and the the hospital was 1168 00:53:29,710 --> 00:53:36,338 around here cellar and to give you a 1169 00:53:33,250 --> 00:53:40,559 better idea this is the hospital in 1170 00:53:36,338 --> 00:53:46,500 cellar this is where he was stationed 1171 00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:49,239 and this is the area where it happened 1172 00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:51,159 so when they arrived in this area near 1173 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:56,139 the small town of a shooter a shooter is 1174 00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:59,259 here they suddenly noticed some glowing 1175 00:53:56,139 --> 00:54:00,969 lights on the left-hand side and he said 1176 00:53:59,260 --> 00:54:03,369 we wondered 1177 00:54:00,969 --> 00:54:06,129 why is it glowing in the clouds it was a 1178 00:54:03,369 --> 00:54:08,230 very bright light comparable to that of 1179 00:54:06,130 --> 00:54:10,059 a spotlight but it he said it had a 1180 00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:13,059 different quality it didn't hurt to the 1181 00:54:10,059 --> 00:54:16,329 eye and he described it as very bright 1182 00:54:13,059 --> 00:54:19,090 gritty whitish light and it was 1183 00:54:16,329 --> 00:54:21,670 continuously flowing like from a spring 1184 00:54:19,090 --> 00:54:23,800 he said it was it's difficult for me to 1185 00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:27,700 imagine it was continuously flowing 1186 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:29,410 light and it flew alongside them the 1187 00:54:27,699 --> 00:54:32,469 distance he said was difficult to 1188 00:54:29,409 --> 00:54:36,269 ascertain he estimated it around 100 1189 00:54:32,469 --> 00:54:39,459 metres they were flying at around 160 1190 00:54:36,269 --> 00:54:42,070 km/h the pilot said to the on-board 1191 00:54:39,460 --> 00:54:44,470 mechanic guy who is flying there at this 1192 00:54:42,070 --> 00:54:47,410 weather and they were wondering if this 1193 00:54:44,469 --> 00:54:49,149 was some secret aircraft they decided to 1194 00:54:47,409 --> 00:54:52,059 call the Tower of a nearby airfield 1195 00:54:49,150 --> 00:54:54,309 Langan hagen to check whether they had 1196 00:54:52,059 --> 00:54:55,929 traffic but the controller and said they 1197 00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:59,440 only had their helicopter on their 1198 00:54:55,929 --> 00:55:01,239 screen and nothing else the strange 1199 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:04,329 light accompanied the helicopter from 1200 00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:05,618 about 1 to 2 minutes that's what is this 1201 00:55:04,329 --> 00:55:07,210 is the helicopter this is the strange 1202 00:55:05,619 --> 00:55:11,349 light when it was initially in the in 1203 00:55:07,210 --> 00:55:12,820 the clouds and then it came yeah to be 1204 00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:17,380 heard from behind the clouds it was 1205 00:55:12,820 --> 00:55:19,180 visible then suddenly it made a sharp 1206 00:55:17,380 --> 00:55:23,170 right angle turn towards the helicopter 1207 00:55:19,179 --> 00:55:25,539 and they were all shocked the pilot tore 1208 00:55:23,170 --> 00:55:28,180 the helicopters hard sharply down right 1209 00:55:25,539 --> 00:55:29,769 in order to avoid collision and when the 1210 00:55:28,179 --> 00:55:32,618 light had approached the helicopter at 1211 00:55:29,769 --> 00:55:35,440 about 10 meters the general heard a 1212 00:55:32,619 --> 00:55:37,510 static radio noise on his headset the 1213 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,970 on-board mechanic screamed watch out 1214 00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:41,920 you're getting into the trees then the 1215 00:55:39,969 --> 00:55:44,199 object changed its direction very 1216 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:46,539 rapidly and shot upwards in the air 1217 00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:47,199 where it disappeared in another glowing 1218 00:55:46,539 --> 00:55:50,259 cloud 1219 00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:53,079 fortunately the helicopter came to rest 1220 00:55:50,260 --> 00:55:55,630 above a small lake in the forest because 1221 00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:58,029 this was all forest and the pilot 1222 00:55:55,630 --> 00:55:59,619 managed to stabilize the aircraft they 1223 00:55:58,030 --> 00:56:02,080 kept hovering there for a couple of 1224 00:55:59,619 --> 00:56:05,230 minutes to see if the light would return 1225 00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:07,659 and to sort of recover from what it just 1226 00:56:05,230 --> 00:56:10,059 happened and they also contacted the 1227 00:56:07,659 --> 00:56:11,710 airfield Langan Hagen again to verify if 1228 00:56:10,059 --> 00:56:13,730 there was really no other traffic in the 1229 00:56:11,710 --> 00:56:16,280 area but the controller insists 1230 00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:18,050 that that they were alone and he added 1231 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,690 but we just saw you flying a strange 1232 00:56:18,050 --> 00:56:22,430 maneuver everything okay and after a 1233 00:56:20,690 --> 00:56:25,220 while they continued their flight back 1234 00:56:22,429 --> 00:56:27,379 too fast back and the weather was so bad 1235 00:56:25,219 --> 00:56:30,079 they had to open the door for landing 1236 00:56:27,380 --> 00:56:32,869 the light he said demonstrated such an 1237 00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:35,869 incredible maneuverability way beyond 1238 00:56:32,869 --> 00:56:38,150 anything he had seen before mass inertia 1239 00:56:35,869 --> 00:56:40,850 law didn't seem to apply to it which is 1240 00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:43,099 why he is not sure if it was a solid 1241 00:56:40,849 --> 00:56:45,049 object at all there were no physical 1242 00:56:43,099 --> 00:56:47,868 interferences with the helicopter 1243 00:56:45,050 --> 00:56:50,119 besides of that static noise on the 1244 00:56:47,869 --> 00:56:51,619 radio on the headset and after the 1245 00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:53,300 landing the four men talked about the 1246 00:56:51,619 --> 00:56:56,930 incident and decided they would not 1247 00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:59,720 report it for fear of losing their good 1248 00:56:56,929 --> 00:57:01,368 reputations and flight license he kept 1249 00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,730 this incident for himself for many 1250 00:57:01,369 --> 00:57:06,880 decades until in 2012 he read the cometa 1251 00:57:04,730 --> 00:57:10,550 report and he saw that there is a 1252 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:12,980 similar similar reports from other 1253 00:57:10,550 --> 00:57:16,820 pilots so that is when he decided to go 1254 00:57:12,980 --> 00:57:18,469 public about his sighting and I said but 1255 00:57:16,820 --> 00:57:21,230 anonymously and I said wow that's 1256 00:57:18,469 --> 00:57:23,509 interesting so so there are UFO cases 1257 00:57:21,230 --> 00:57:27,289 with German military involvement but how 1258 00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:32,270 come there is no official interest in 1259 00:57:27,289 --> 00:57:34,130 the subject and he goes and this is just 1260 00:57:32,269 --> 00:57:36,079 to remind you of the the situation 1261 00:57:34,130 --> 00:57:37,730 during the Cold War those are the 1262 00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:39,469 occupation zones those were the British 1263 00:57:37,730 --> 00:57:41,630 of course they had the biggest slice and 1264 00:57:39,469 --> 00:57:44,449 one of the biggest this is the French 1265 00:57:41,630 --> 00:57:46,519 and the American sector and this is the 1266 00:57:44,449 --> 00:57:48,529 Soviet zone and he said you need to 1267 00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:52,579 understand the Germany it was an 1268 00:57:48,530 --> 00:57:54,290 occupied country Inlet and and after 1269 00:57:52,579 --> 00:57:57,170 World War two Germany was not a 1270 00:57:54,289 --> 00:57:59,210 sovereign state until 1990 he said it 1271 00:57:57,170 --> 00:58:00,950 may very well be the case that German 1272 00:57:59,210 --> 00:58:02,929 authorities are the exception to the 1273 00:58:00,949 --> 00:58:06,829 rule that they are not dealing with UFOs 1274 00:58:02,929 --> 00:58:09,799 because the air supremacy was divided 1275 00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:12,380 among the Allied powers Britain France 1276 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:14,920 Americans the Soviets and I think the 1277 00:58:12,380 --> 00:58:20,000 net that the Dutch were also involved 1278 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:22,159 and this situation he said led German 1279 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,170 authorities to become some sort of 1280 00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:26,289 resignated and afraid to take 1281 00:58:24,170 --> 00:58:29,849 responsibility over their own net 1282 00:58:26,289 --> 00:58:34,509 and he said over the years this 1283 00:58:29,849 --> 00:58:37,858 resignation and this fear of you know 1284 00:58:34,510 --> 00:58:40,359 taking responsibility has become sort of 1285 00:58:37,858 --> 00:58:42,819 institutionalized and whenever there was 1286 00:58:40,358 --> 00:58:45,340 something bizarre the Germans were happy 1287 00:58:42,820 --> 00:58:47,530 to leave it to the Allied powers mainly 1288 00:58:45,340 --> 00:58:50,380 the United States United Kingdom and 1289 00:58:47,530 --> 00:58:53,590 France so he was kind of suggesting that 1290 00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:55,809 whenever it came to a UFO sighting the 1291 00:58:53,590 --> 00:58:58,630 German authorities were actually very 1292 00:58:55,809 --> 00:59:01,000 happy to keep it to the Americans or any 1293 00:58:58,630 --> 00:59:04,390 other Allied power to investigate and 1294 00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:08,380 that may very well be the explanation 1295 00:59:04,389 --> 00:59:11,379 why German authorities are not have not 1296 00:59:08,380 --> 00:59:15,070 been dealing with this issue and there 1297 00:59:11,380 --> 00:59:16,869 is even a case in from German UFO 1298 00:59:15,070 --> 00:59:20,410 history which shows that this may 1299 00:59:16,869 --> 00:59:24,450 actually be true so this is the German 1300 00:59:20,409 --> 00:59:29,319 map again and the following case 1301 00:59:24,449 --> 00:59:33,129 happened here this is I would say in the 1302 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:36,369 middle of nowhere Pampa between des 1303 00:59:33,130 --> 00:59:40,410 poids and Peter's Haggen and it happened 1304 00:59:36,369 --> 00:59:44,619 on August 13 1976 it was a UFO encounter 1305 00:59:40,409 --> 00:59:46,960 with pilot of a piper arrow pa-28 1306 00:59:44,619 --> 00:59:51,700 aircraft I can now say his name his name 1307 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:53,920 is this each dating he was this a long 1308 00:59:51,699 --> 00:59:57,309 time ago he was a member of a MUFON 1309 00:59:53,920 --> 01:00:02,800 association afterwards the pilot of that 1310 00:59:57,309 --> 01:00:04,599 Piper arrow aircraft was flying at 3,500 1311 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,640 feet when he noticed a strange light 1312 01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:08,589 approaching it from the Northeast at 9 1313 01:00:06,639 --> 01:00:11,319 o'clock and after three to five minutes 1314 01:00:08,590 --> 01:00:13,809 the object came closer and took a fixed 1315 01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:15,789 position on the Piper's left wing the 1316 01:00:13,809 --> 01:00:18,519 object was oval-shaped and very bright 1317 01:00:15,789 --> 01:00:20,980 yellow in its center with an indistinct 1318 01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:24,090 flame orange boundary its diameter 1319 01:00:20,980 --> 01:00:27,329 subtended about 3.5 degrees of Arc 1320 01:00:24,090 --> 01:00:30,550 suddenly the piper went into too rapid 1321 01:00:27,329 --> 01:00:33,519 360 degree clockwise rolls from which 1322 01:00:30,550 --> 01:00:35,530 the pilot had to recover manually and he 1323 01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:37,239 discovered that he had dropped about 500 1324 01:00:35,530 --> 01:00:39,430 feet during the role and recovery 1325 01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:41,379 maneuver and when he next check 1326 01:00:39,429 --> 01:00:43,358 in checked his instrument panel he 1327 01:00:41,380 --> 01:00:45,700 discovered that his magnetic compass was 1328 01:00:43,358 --> 01:00:47,799 spinning in clockwise direction so fast 1329 01:00:45,699 --> 01:00:50,739 that he couldn't read the number in its 1330 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:52,990 square in its window so looking outside 1331 01:00:50,739 --> 01:00:55,779 again he saw that the UFO was still 1332 01:00:52,989 --> 01:00:57,519 behind him and the pilot climbed back to 1333 01:00:55,780 --> 01:01:00,040 his cruise altitude and called on the 1334 01:00:57,519 --> 01:01:02,619 radio to flight control at Hannover 1335 01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:04,568 Airport to the east of his flight 1336 01:01:02,619 --> 01:01:06,670 position and the air traffic controller 1337 01:01:04,568 --> 01:01:09,670 told him that the radar showed both his 1338 01:01:06,670 --> 01:01:11,349 airplane and another object nearby the 1339 01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:13,869 controller said that an aircraft would 1340 01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:16,930 be sent to investigate little more than 1341 01:01:13,869 --> 01:01:19,269 four minutes later two US Air Force f4 1342 01:01:16,929 --> 01:01:22,539 phantom jets arrived on either side of 1343 01:01:19,269 --> 01:01:24,940 him traveling between 400 and 500 miles 1344 01:01:22,539 --> 01:01:26,980 per hour the jet on the right side was 1345 01:01:24,940 --> 01:01:28,030 slightly lower closer in the head of the 1346 01:01:26,980 --> 01:01:30,010 jet on the left 1347 01:01:28,030 --> 01:01:33,460 the pilot was certain that they were 1348 01:01:30,010 --> 01:01:35,950 American planes just as the Jets arrived 1349 01:01:33,460 --> 01:01:39,250 the UFO accelerated forward and then 1350 01:01:35,949 --> 01:01:42,519 upward at about a 30-degree angle above 1351 01:01:39,250 --> 01:01:45,099 the horizontal and turned right passing 1352 01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:48,130 in front of his aircraft it quickly 1353 01:01:45,099 --> 01:01:50,829 quickly outdistance its pursuers and was 1354 01:01:48,130 --> 01:01:52,780 out of sight in a matter of seconds the 1355 01:01:50,829 --> 01:01:56,318 compass eventually returned to normal 1356 01:01:52,780 --> 01:01:58,750 operation after the UFO had departed now 1357 01:01:56,318 --> 01:02:00,940 the interesting point is this is a 1358 01:01:58,750 --> 01:02:02,920 sketch of what he experienced done by 1359 01:02:00,940 --> 01:02:05,048 himself and first published in the 1360 01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:08,579 International UFO reporter I think in 1361 01:02:05,048 --> 01:02:12,670 2004 it was this encounter was 1362 01:02:08,579 --> 01:02:15,760 investigated by Richard Haines with the 1363 01:02:12,670 --> 01:02:17,108 help of a lubricant fondue trigger now 1364 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,109 the interesting thing is what happened 1365 01:02:17,108 --> 01:02:22,328 after the landing within minutes of the 1366 01:02:20,108 --> 01:02:25,239 landing a military van without license 1367 01:02:22,329 --> 01:02:27,730 plates pulled up to his plane and five 1368 01:02:25,239 --> 01:02:30,399 men in business suits got out they would 1369 01:02:27,730 --> 01:02:32,289 not identify who they worked for he was 1370 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,960 taken to an underground room on the 1371 01:02:32,289 --> 01:02:37,719 airport property where a man set behind 1372 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:39,789 a desk two of the original men left the 1373 01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:42,159 room the others then began asking him 1374 01:02:39,789 --> 01:02:44,409 detailed questions about the sighting 1375 01:02:42,159 --> 01:02:46,629 and he had the impression however that 1376 01:02:44,409 --> 01:02:48,578 one of the men was an American this 1377 01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:51,039 questioning went on for about three 1378 01:02:48,579 --> 01:02:51,519 hours he had to repeat the entire event 1379 01:02:51,039 --> 01:02:53,469 Oh 1380 01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:56,440 over and over again as well as tell 1381 01:02:53,469 --> 01:02:59,379 technical details and at one point he 1382 01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:02,650 was politely asked to asked to read and 1383 01:02:59,380 --> 01:03:05,710 sign a form printed in German it stated 1384 01:03:02,650 --> 01:03:08,619 that he had had bet he agreed never to 1385 01:03:05,710 --> 01:03:11,889 disclose the details of his UFO sighting 1386 01:03:08,619 --> 01:03:14,469 a pilot bravely declined to sign the 1387 01:03:11,889 --> 01:03:16,869 form despite the fact that it was firmly 1388 01:03:14,469 --> 01:03:20,679 suggested that his pilot's license might 1389 01:03:16,869 --> 01:03:22,599 be suspended if he did not do so after 1390 01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:24,190 this they finally let him go and later 1391 01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:27,369 it was discovered that parts of the 1392 01:03:24,190 --> 01:03:29,679 aircraft landing here and engine 1393 01:03:27,369 --> 01:03:31,389 crankshaft were strongly and permanently 1394 01:03:29,679 --> 01:03:34,869 magnetized and they had to be replaced 1395 01:03:31,389 --> 01:03:38,289 at a later date so you see there is a 1396 01:03:34,869 --> 01:03:40,000 UFO encounter over German territory the 1397 01:03:38,289 --> 01:03:43,449 pilot calls for Mayday there are 1398 01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:49,960 obviously American fighter jets coming 1399 01:03:43,449 --> 01:03:53,250 up to him they accompany him to land on 1400 01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:56,710 Hannover Airport where he is eventually 1401 01:03:53,250 --> 01:04:00,030 debriefed or questioned by American 1402 01:03:56,710 --> 01:04:04,449 obviously American military personnel on 1403 01:04:00,030 --> 01:04:09,840 German territory in 1976 so this might 1404 01:04:04,449 --> 01:04:12,519 be the example of that at that time 1405 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:16,900 normal procedure when it came to UFO 1406 01:04:12,519 --> 01:04:18,940 sightings and remember Germany still to 1407 01:04:16,900 --> 01:04:20,680 this day has hosts the biggest US 1408 01:04:18,940 --> 01:04:22,720 military base outside the United States 1409 01:04:20,679 --> 01:04:25,779 Ramstein you know and I think it's 1410 01:04:22,719 --> 01:04:28,769 currently 33 thousand US troops who are 1411 01:04:25,780 --> 01:04:31,420 stationed in Germany and another 1500 1412 01:04:28,769 --> 01:04:33,849 are going to show up in within the next 1413 01:04:31,420 --> 01:04:36,130 two years so it may be the case that 1414 01:04:33,849 --> 01:04:39,670 this is still going on that whenever 1415 01:04:36,130 --> 01:04:41,650 there are UFO cases UFO encounters it is 1416 01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:44,889 the Americans to take charge of it on 1417 01:04:41,650 --> 01:04:46,930 the political side recently there seems 1418 01:04:44,889 --> 01:04:50,609 to be some renewed interest in the 1419 01:04:46,929 --> 01:04:52,769 subject of UFOs and especially 1420 01:04:50,610 --> 01:04:55,030 extraterrestrial life there was an 1421 01:04:52,769 --> 01:04:58,389 parliamentary question to the government 1422 01:04:55,030 --> 01:05:03,080 only a short time ago in July 2018 1423 01:04:58,389 --> 01:05:05,299 another deputy of the Green Party as 1424 01:05:03,079 --> 01:05:08,090 the German government what precautions 1425 01:05:05,300 --> 01:05:11,240 protocols are plans for a possible first 1426 01:05:08,090 --> 01:05:13,430 contact with et life exists on the part 1427 01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:15,529 of the federal government and its 1428 01:05:13,429 --> 01:05:16,940 subordinate authorities and if they have 1429 01:05:15,530 --> 01:05:19,610 ever talked about it with other 1430 01:05:16,940 --> 01:05:21,950 countries and the answer is there are no 1431 01:05:19,610 --> 01:05:23,720 protocols or plans for a possible first 1432 01:05:21,949 --> 01:05:26,029 contact because the federal government 1433 01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:28,279 considers the first contact on the 1434 01:05:26,030 --> 01:05:30,890 territory of Germany to be extremely 1435 01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:33,740 unlikely according to the current state 1436 01:05:30,889 --> 01:05:36,769 of scientific knowledge so you see 1437 01:05:33,739 --> 01:05:39,649 within 10 years German government has 1438 01:05:36,769 --> 01:05:43,159 made considerable considerable progress 1439 01:05:39,650 --> 01:05:45,380 in estimating the situation of first 1440 01:05:43,159 --> 01:05:47,389 contact in 2008 they said it's out of 1441 01:05:45,380 --> 01:05:49,670 the question 10 years later at least 1442 01:05:47,389 --> 01:05:52,339 it's they call it they deem it extremely 1443 01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:57,139 unlikely so it's not out of the question 1444 01:05:52,340 --> 01:06:00,970 any longer so you see we make we made 1445 01:05:57,139 --> 01:06:05,019 huge progress during the last 10 years 1446 01:06:00,969 --> 01:06:05,019 thank you for your attention